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>>One in every 20 or so women I approach is a "difficult" girl,
>>and I get thrown for a loop. What I mean by difficult is that they're purposely contrarian. It's okay to approach and start talking. But, then, they don't want to be figured out. So anytime that you say anything to use the values you've elicited or gain rapport or show that you understand them, they'll respond by either saying the opposite or by just answering vaguely and mysteriously and non-commitally

Lance Delacroix: And getting you hooked! There's a lesson here!

>>Basically, these are women who are giving you shit tests and
>>battles of wits all the time, half as a method of flirting and
half as a protective shield to keep emotional distance. They're smiling and enjoying the conversation, but you are getting absolutely nowhere. They're the easiest girls to figure out, but the last ones to ever admit that they've been figured out because their self-image is so tied up in the idea of being "complicated" and "too intelligent to be out getting picked up" (though they're generally not that intelligent compared to a lot of other women). I'm probably not explaining this as well as I could, but do you know the type of woman I'm talking about?

Lance Delacroix: Yup. They are intriguing, aren't they?

>>Anyway, I usually get frustrated and eject or move on to her
>>friend (because I get annoyed, though I'll always smile and never show it). But, does anyone have a bridge or pattern or idea that works on these women, to get past the BS and stupid cryptic comments to the more simple, interesting, and vulnerable woman hiding underneath?

Lance Delacroix: How about Mystery's line? Ask her what she can tell you about any qualities she has that might make you want to get to know her better. Remember, Christopher, YOU are the prize.

>>Or maybe there's a way to completely change her state--by,
>>perhaps, instead of trying to build rapport, taking her outside
of herself in some way--very strongly taking her on some sort of adventure (with words or actions) that makes her forget about and let go of herself and the self-image she so tightly clings to for a moment.

Lance Delacroix: That suggests asking her what HER idea of such an adventure might be.... Like, if she could be anywhere of her choosing doing anything she pleased right now....

>>Maybe more negs? I don't know. Any suggestions? (And I'm not
>>accepting "eject" as an answer--there must be a way.)

Lance Delacroix: You're right to pursue this. Anyone can eject, but someone like you can figure out how to nail her.

Tzeen: Shit man....I hear what you're saying. I found one like that about 2 weeks ago. Her fucking mind games and stupid comments kept making me really uncomfortable and throwing me off my game. I planned on seeing her mainly so I could practice some SS techniques but I spent the whole damn time dancing around her god damn pointless questions. She answered my questions with questions, and I got nowhere.

Style: Yes, this is exactly the type of girl I'm talking about. So annoying!

>>In the end, she just turned out to be a horny little slut,
>>because I fucked her, left, then blew her off for good three
days later (i disliked her enough to pass on sex with her a second time...because it would have meant seeing her again.) I think the problem is, patterns don't seem to work on these girls, because they turn them around and return fire with mind games of their own. Someone on this board (I'm sorry, i can't remember who...but it wasn't ray) pointed out that the sluts play a lot of mind games so they can seem more complicated than a girl who just likes to fuck.

Style: Interesting. I never thought of it that way.

>>In my opinion...the mind games might come down a notch
>>if you can get her comfortable enough to let you fuck
her. If she's using it as a defense mechanism...perhaps sex will lower her defenses for good. I guess if i had met my weirdo chick a second time, i would have found out.. but i disliked her way too much.

Style: Okay, makes sense. But HOW do you get her to let drop her annoying games/defenses enough to go home with you? What did you talk about? How do you get her in the mood?

>>the difficult ones aren't worth the effort imo...
>>not when HBs are a dime a dozen and many of them give in to the most basic SS techniques.

Willie D: 1 in 20? Shit, I would eject those like a crappy 8 track tape and concentrate on the 95 percent that aren't difficult.

Franco: I founded Your post very interesting and I have some comments and suggestions.. I also recognize that kind of woman. I think they can be fucked but You need to put the into "refrigerator" I invented the term. I explain what I mean.

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