The Fucked-up Party Girls

 Local_D: Kino is really key here. DON'T STOP THE KINO. Touch her everywhere. Also I think it's important to go for a kiss really soon...if a couple hours have past, you waited too soon. You get almost 0 resistance from girls like this.

KevRM: Hmm, a good general approach would to make her laugh and touch her a lot. Be a generally fun guy to be around... Not necessarily the seductive one. With these 'dumber' girls, you have to be more direct. Directness is GOOD in this case. And keep your descriptions simple... These type of girls are always on the move and fast, moving from one thing to the other. They don't particularly care to stop, feel everything you have to say... etc.

I think the psyche behind these girls are to have as much fun as possible... so they usually don't put much value on their bodies. If you look good, and are direct with them, they eventually wll give in. You have ot be a lot more physical and do less talking, and the taking that you do is more commanding than leading..

So do any of you guys have any dumb girl tactics? Those girls who don't want to listen to stuff like patterns... The only thing I found is to be direct, with toned down, very small patterns here and there.

Sasha: If it isn't broken, don't fix it. In case she is "dumb" (by whose standards?), be alot more direct, after all you can always say "Just kidding" or "What, you don't like cute guys?!"

Avatar: If you can, take her out on a boat. Babes on waves. I prefer to sail over power, more art and skill. (Power boats are just like driving a car on the water) I do have the bad luck of dating a HB who gets seasick, but most of the time it works wonders.  If you have a hot tub or a pool table, that can be a great way to get her out of the club and back to your place.

One approach I haven't used, but really want to is to get them back to my place for a drink or to play pool, and then suggest a hot tub.

HB: "But I don't have a swimsuit with me"
ME: "Hmmm... what ever will we do ... I know! .. I'll go without a suit too, just to make things even"

Final D: I personally don't find "being the life of the party" to be something that I do congruently at all. I'm not really "into" the concept of making a party-girl good-time-girl find me to be someone she really experiences "whoop it up" with. I'd love to be able to do that for her, quick and easy like you say it can be done, Squaredick, but since I'm not into screaming "whooo" every time a fourteen-year-old pukes on the dance floor, I guess it won't be congruent.

Any advice? Or am I just a loser already?

And to the rest of the newsgroup, for those of you who do bag party-girls easily, what's the best way to get into a state where you can appear to her to be the emotionally charged up life-of-the-party type that she's seeking? I suspect it's not as simple as that, I'd like some experienced advice.

Style: Thanks Final D. That's exactly the problem: the answer is obvious but how to execute it is the dilemma, especially for guys like us who can't go into fake "Whoo-hoo! Party!" mode at the drop of a hat. Formhandle's girl is a HB at a party, but a party girl would have gotten bored with the "what song is this" game. Could party girls be God's gift to the AFC? Someone must end up with them at the end of the night. But it's not most of us it seems. And, I'm not willing to give up and say, 'Oh, I just can't work with that type.'

So there are two ways to get an answer to this: maybe mirroring their behavior is a good start, and then coming up with a really quick, kino heavy routine--something to make her see you as her collaborator in having a crazy unforgettable time. She needs to feel like she's being offered an adventure that she can tell her friends about the next day so that they can say, "You did that?! You're wild!" Maybe you do this with some sort of "dare" game: saying something like, "You are out of your mind! I love that! But I bet you would never 'bite that girl's ass/get that guy to buy you a drink/whatever'" And then maybe slowly shift the dares to things she can do to you in public.